MAYOR WELLS BRINGS IMMIGRATION MEASURE BACK FOR NEW VOTE TUESDAY

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Photo:  Councilman Steve Goble is the likely swing vote when the El Cajon City Council reconsiders an amended version of a controversial immigration measure on Feb. 11.

By Miriam Raftery

February 10, 2025 (El Cajon) -  A controversial measure to allow El Cajon Police officers to cooperate with federal immigration authorities is back on tomorrow’s agenda. The newly revised version includes changes from an earlier version that was voted down 3-2  after a five-hour hearing with emotional testimony on both sides. View revised draft.

The immigration matter is scheduled at the end of a 3 p.m. meeting tomorrow. However, there is an earlier 2 p.m. special meeting on unrelated issues. Activists on both sides have been advising the public to arrive early, since seats may fill up for the first meeting with people planning to stay for both meetings.

The original measure was introduced by Mayor Bill Wells and Councilman Phil Ortiz, who voted in favor. Councilmembers Gary Kendrick, Michelle Metschel and Steve Goble voted no, after several attempts at compromise measures failed. The newest reversion includes amended language proposed by Councilmember Goble.

A state law, SB 54, prohibits local police from turning over individuals to federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) unless they have been convicted of certain serious felonies, such as murder or rape.  California’s law was upheld on appeal and the Supreme Court declined to hear the case, allowing the law to stand.  Yet the Trump administration has threatened to prosecute local officials if they don’t cooperate with federal immigration authorities, putting local cities in a difficult situation.

"Federal law prohibits state and local actors from resisting, obstructing, and otherwise failing to comply with lawful immigration-related commands or requests," a Justice Dept. memo states, raising the possibility of charges for harboring immigrants without legal status or for failing to share information with immigration authorities, NPR reports.

The Justice Dept. is setting up a Sanctuary Cities Enforcement Working Group to identify state and local policies or laws that are "inconsistent" with the Trump administration's enforcement efforts, and "where appropriate, to take legal action to challenge such laws."  Whether courts would continue to uphold California’s SB 54, or whether a conservative-leaning Supreme Court might overturn it, is unknown.

El Cajon’s latest revision to its proposed measure now states the city’s intent to “comply with federal immigration law to the legal extent permissible for the sole purpose of removing violent criminals from our community.”. 

But the city’s language leaves room to cooperate on deportation of people merely accused, but not convicted, of crimes.  It notes that  the Trump administration says there are “over 647,000 non-detained individuals living in the United States illegally who have pending charges or have been convicted of or charged with violent crimes, including robbery, assault, sexual assault, homicide, and and human trafficking.”  

That raises serious concerns about the prospect for innocent people to be deported without a trial.  There are many examples of individuals falsely accused of crimes and later proven innocent, such as when DNA tests prove another person committed the crime, or bystander videos emerge to disprove charges.  A prime example occurred in La Mesa in 2020, when a police officer accused a young man at a trolley stop of assaulting the officer. A bystander’s video proved that the assault did not occur; the officer was fired for filing a false report, but his actions triggered a riot and accusations of racial profiling.

ECM spoke with Councilman Steve Goble, the likely swing vote on El Cajon’s immigration issue. He proposed another amendment included in the revised draft. 

“If you want police officers to work for ICE under SB 54 which is not allowed, and then the feds and the state are at such odds with each other, I want indemnification for our officers, in case anybody comes after their credentials because they are licensed by the state,” Goble told ECM.

His amendment states ,”The City will seek assistance from the United States Attorney General’s office to indemnify the City and its employees for any assistance or
cooperation with federal immigration authorities as permitted by law.”  The city also faces potential enforcement actions from the state, however, since Attorney General Rob Bonta has indicated he will hold cities accountable if they violate SB 54.

The Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution states that any powers not given to the federal government are reserved for the states or the people. Goble notes.  California’s SB 54 does not stop the federal authorities from doing their work, he points out, adding that the state doesn’t want to assist in those efforts. (SB 54 does allow cities to turn over undocumented immigrants to ICE if they have been convicted of serious felonies.)

Mayor Wells, who has announced his intent to seek reelection in 2026 and also run for supervisor in 2028, has said his goal is to protect public safety.  On X,  he recently posted, “I’m bringing back a resolution to support our law enforcement officers working with ICE to remove illegal immigrant criminals from our communities. We all want safer neighborhoods, and I will continue fighting to protect our families from those who break our laws and threaten our safety. Law enforcement must have every tool available to uphold the law and keep criminals off our streets.”

Goble states, “What Bill is saying aspirationally is if we know there is a convicted criminal living in El Cajon illegally, we want the option of contacting ICE.” That might include, for example, a parolee who served time for a serious felony but was not handed over to ICE elsewhere. 

However, Goble indicated he has concerns about deporting people who have merely been accused, but not convicted of serious crimes, suggesting he might be open to an amendment limiting ECPD cooperation only to undocumented immigrations who have been convicted in court.

Goble spoke of a San Diego Police officer’s search for an accused serial rapist, who turned out to be in a Border Patrol vehicle, so Border Patrol handed him over to the police instead of deporting him immediately. In Goble’s view, that was the right decision.

“The reason is that it’s better to go through the justice system and be deported as convicted criminal,” Goble explained, noting that if merely deported without a criminal conviction, the suspect could potentially reenter the U.S. again and again.

There is also the potential for the Trump administration to order deportation of any undocumented immigrant, even those living in the U.S. for decades without committing crimes here, since some Trump administration officials including White House Secretary Karoline Leavitt have said they consider everyone who crossed the border illegally to be criminals. Trump, on the campaign trail, frequently spoke of wanting to deport all undocumented immigrants, an estimated 11 million people.Trump has also revoked special protection status for some legal immigrants, including Afghan translators who helped our military.

If a future court were to overturn SB 54, does El Cajon wants its police officers cooperating if the “crime” was merely crossing the border, or overstaying a legal protected status order  later revoked, as in the case of Afghans who helped our military?

The Mayor's immigration measure has sparked heated public debate, wtih over 80 people speaking out at the last Council meeting. Elected officials on both sides are facing serious threats, including death threats against a councilmember who voted against the resolution and a recall effort gearing up against at least one Councilmember who voted for the resolution, ECM has learned.

Latinos en Acción has announced a press conference at noon tomorrow  in front of City Council chambers at 200 Civic Center Way, El Cajon, in opposition to the resolution, the San Diego Union-Tribune reports. A flyer announcing the event states that California law already allows police to transfer violent criminals to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, and expanding local police cooperation would mostly affect non-violent offenders and could lead to racial profiling.

At an earlier hearing on this issue, Violet Lombera with Latinos en Accion testified that moving to El Cajon from Brawley, she was stopped by police in what she views as “racial profiling.  I don’t want that to happen again...Doing this is really going to separate and divide us. It’s going to attack my community,  Mexican Americans...I’ve been attacked. I’ve been segregated. I’ve been racially profiled. You guys need to reconsider this,” she said, voicing fears of people being stopped and asked for proof of citizenship. ”To do this is really going to hurt everybody in our community.”

While backers of the resolution have voiced concerns over the city being caught in the legal crosshairs between conflicting state and federal laws, El Cajon could also face lawsuits from immigrant rights’ groups over its immigrant policies.

Salvador Salmiento with the National Day Labor Network  told the Council on January 14, “Our organization has litigated a bunch of these policies over the years,” adding that he has over the years repeatedly seen ICE detainers issued without probable cause. If immigrants suffer actual damages due to actions of the City Council or its officers, he warned, ”We will sue.”

He added that in lawsuits filed by the organization elsewhere over immigration issues, , “ICE doesn’t pay. The city pays,"adding, "El Cajon can be a better example than this.”

View ECM’s prior coverage:

https://www.eastcountymagazine.org/packed-hearing-el-cajon-council-votes-3-2-against-contentious-immigration-resolution

https://www.eastcountymagazine.org/el-cajon-council-will-vote-today-controversial-immigration-resolution

https://www.eastcountymagazine.org/latino-leaders-give-earful-el-cajon-city-council-over-proposed-immigration-resolution

 

IN PACKED HEARING, EL CAJON COUNCIL VOTES 3-2 AGAINST CONTENTIOUS IMMIGRATION RESOLUTION

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By Miriam Raftery

View video of full Council hearing (Immigration agenda item begins at 37 minutes.)

January 29, 2025 – Emotions ran high during yesterday’s El Cajon City Council meeting, where a packed chamber heard testimony from 88 members of the public over a proposed over immigration enforcement resolution, followed by a heated Council debate that divided the all-Republican members during a hearing that ran over five hours.

The measure introduced by Mayor Wells, a revision from a version heard two weeks ago, aims to authorize El Cajon police to comply with federal immigration enforcement officials within the limits of state law and the Constitution for the purpose of removing violent criminals.

But the action comes on the same day that the White House Press Secretary indicated that the Trump administration views all undocumented immigrants as “criminals” even though crossing the border itself is a misdemeanor on the first offense, not a felony or violent crime.

Sweeps by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) have begun nationwide, picking up many immigrants with no criminal record—including an El Cajon man with no criminal record who was awaiting his asylum hearing when arrested  this week by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) at his home in front of his five-year-old daughter, Councilman Michelle Metschel revealed in an impassioned speech.

“If this was just about violent criminals, I would be all for it,” Metschel (photo, right) said. “But today is a pivotal moment,” she added, noting that the Council’s decision would “change the course of history” for the city and many of its residents. She said El Cajon’s biggest crime problem was drug criminals comprising a portion of the homeless population, “not a single father raising his young girl, who was arrested down the street from me...He worked a full-time job and had a court date to become legal...His only crime was to come across the border.”

(Editor's note: the name of the arrested immigrant is Ulysses Gomez, according to Councilmember Metschel. ECM has learned that a man by this name had two prior arrests locally, according to the city manager, but that individual was never charged with or convicted of any crime, according to Court records. See full details in an update at the bottom of this story.)

Metschel made clear that she does not support El Cajon become a sanctuary city and wants to see violent criminals removed, but could not support the resolution after several dozen speakers voiced fears of authorities targeting people with brown skin and having to carry citizenship papers to avoid being sent to detention, and that many parents are now afraid to send their children to school, or report crimes to police. “This makes us look like racists. I want no part of it,.” Metschel affirmed, voicing dismay at "hateful rhetoric" by some speakers.

While some speakers voiced fear over authorizing police to cooperate with federal immigration authorities could lead to police providing information that could lead to arrests of people with no criminal record or even detention of citizens without papers, others urged the Council to support the measure, voicing concern for public safety. Though opponents outnumber supporters, both sides drew large turnouts.  The hearing was boisterous, with the audience frequently interjecting applause or jeers and the mayor threatening several times to clear the room if the audience wouldn'td quiet down.

Glenn Bagge, an El Cajon business owner, stated that ICE claims that are “650,000 criminals running loose in the U.S.” who are undocumented.  “To not allow our police officers to deal with these criminals in the proper fashion, to deal with federal agents, would be criminal,” he said.

Cory Gautereaux, a veteran, said that an immigrant who assaulted the young daughter of a Navy Seal was initially shielded from ICE due to state laws, which prohibit law enforcement from handing over undocumented immigrants unless they have been convicted of a violent crime. ICE did eventually gain access and found child pornography on the suspect’s phone, Gautereaux said. 

Of note, immigrants commit crimes at far lower rates than citizens; if an undocumented immigrant is charged with a serious felony, under California’s SB 54 law, they would still be held accountable through the criminal justice system and if found guilty, could then be eligible for deportation.

Speakers against the resolution included representatives of immigrants’ rights and nonprofit groups. 

Mejgan Afshan, executive director of Borderlands for Equity, serves many immigrants and refugees in East County including Mexicans, Afghans, Somalis, Chaldeans and more.  “There are children scared of going to school for fear of losing their parents,” she said, referencing the Trump administration’s policy change this week allowing ICE to enter schools, churches and hospitals. “Councilmembers must avoid fearmongering and uplift the dignity of all residents,” she urged.

Yusef Miller, a cofounder of the North County Equity and Justice Coalition and Activist San Diego board member, stated, ”This is not about law and order. If it was, we would not be releasing all those people who stormed our capitol,” referencing Trump’s sweeping pardons and sentence commutations for all 1,500+ insurrectionists including those convicted of assaulting police officers. “What we see here is an attack on our brown community.” He likened the situation to the Fugitive Slave Act, which resulted in many blacks in free states being sent back to slavery.  “Do you support families, or do you support those who will bring fear...into our communities?” he asked the Council.

Brian Kougl (photo, left) with the San Diego organizing project, wearing a T-shirt with the statue of liberty proclaiming ‘I’m with her,’ said mass deportations are unpatriotic, immoral and wrong. “You should not support the hate-filled agenda of a delusional convicted felon,” he said of President Donald Trump, who has 36 felony convictions.

Immigration lawyer Maria Chavez with Partner for Advancement of New Americans said she represents immigrants, refugees and asylum seekers in El Cajon.  “I fight for them every single day, and you need to, too,” she stated.

Dilkhwaz Ahmed with License to Freedom, an El Cajon nonprofit helping immigrants and refugees who are victims of violence, implored the Council to vote down the resolution. She noted that many immigrants have endured horrible conditions, such as an Afghan woman who was “raped over and over again” on her journey here; such individuals could face physical harm or death if deported. Though refugees are here legally, Trump has blocked new refugees from entering and has threatened to remove protected status from some refugees in the U.S., which could include Afghans.  

Some likened the national immigration crackdown to fascism and Nazism.  Nicole Bacca, a nurse, observed, ”Two weeks ago we saw Elon Musk onstage give Nazi salutes.”  Trump has named Musk to head up a committee charged with improving government efficiency. She noted that earlier campaign promises to deport only violent criminals have proven false, with long-term residents with no criminal records now being taken into detention camps or deported and even churches and schools subject to seizure of immigrant children and parents.  “Call it what it is—fascism, while people like Bill Wells seek power,” she said. “No surrounding cities are doing this...Choose compassion over fear and division,” she concluded.

An immigrant woman said she feared being stopped for papers, likening the situation to Jews forced to wear yellow stars before they were mass deported and millions killed in Hitler’s concentration camps during World War II. A Native American woman voiced concerns over Native Americans being stopped and said her grandmother, a Native-born American, was once deported because she couldn't speak English.

Sam Halpern said his family arrived in the 1800s to escape persecution.  “Our nation was built by immigrants,” he said, noting that our nation has historically welcomed immigrants seeking freedom.  He said this should include “freedom from jackboots at the door. Why do we rush to intimidate people seeking the American dream?”

But Republican Amy Reichert (photo, right) with Reform San Diego denounced as “offensive” speakers who invoked Nazism and the Holocaust.  She said she was raised Jewish, then added, “I gave my heart to Jesus in my 30s. Jesus did seek asylum—legal asylum,” she added, drawing laughter from the crowd. She voiced anger at nonprofit leaders who help migrants as “profiting off illegal immigration” and dismissed fears voiced by many speakers, then threatened, “The only people who should be afraid are the people who vote against this. There will be ramifications.”

After the hearing, Reichert sent out an e-mail blast to conservative followers, with a headline claiming that the Council majority had voted to “keep sanctuary city status.” That is false, since El Cajon has never been a sanctuary city and every council member has voiced opposition to sanctuary city policies. No new protections for immigrants were adopted, nor were any existing ones removed by Councilmembers.

Update: After this article ran, Reichert emailed ECM stating, "I never called El Cajon a Sanctuary city in my email."

This is also untrue.  See screenshot, left, with headline in her original email.

One of the final speakers was Bud Collins, who has worked with councilmembers on homeless outreach and said he believes that all love El Cajon.  He urged Council to pray and ask, “What would the Lord have you do?”  He then cited a Bible verse: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

A vigorous council debate followed public testimony in what the Mayor acknowledged was “the most contentious Council meeting ever.”

Councilmember Metschel led off by denouncing hate and making clear that she supported a middle ground—not becoming a sanctuary city, but neither committing to a path to support federal actions that instill fear across many community members and could result in deportations of people with no criminal record, like her neighbor, ripped apart from his 5-year-old daughter.

Later she revealed, “Nobody knows where the little girl is.  It’s crucial that our police officers have trust in the entire community, no matter what color, what religion they are.” If we lose that, we are less safe as a community,” she said, noting that some would be afraid to report crimes as witnesses or victims. 

She acknowledged, “This could be the end of my political career. I don’t care, because I stand up for the people here.”

Councilman Gary Kendrick talked about his mother, who was born in Czechoslovakia. In 1939, with Hitler in power, her best friend and her friend’s family disappeared, as well as her boss, who was Jewish and never heard from again. Kendrick’s mother married a U.S. soldier and the family often vacationed in Mexico. But when Kendrick was 12, he recalled a checkpoint officer saw her European-style smallpox vaccination on her arm and asked for her passport, which she didn’t have with her.  “I was scared out of my mind...That was 50 years ago and I’m still traumatized,” Kendrick said, adding that the experience resonates today with what many immigrants now fear could happen here. 

“If we comply with the feds, it’s like a blank check,” he pointed out, adding that the city doesn’t know all that the feds may ask of local authorities.  “It keeps changing,” he said.  “We have 70 ethnic groups in El Cajon and we get along remarkable well.  We don’t have gang wars. I did my research and found out that immigrants commit half (the rate) of crimes that citizens do...They pay landlords and do jobs others won’t,” noting that most agricultural workers are immigrants, including many who are not documented.  “I’ve listened to both sides....I am concerned about the criminal element,” he acknowledged.

Kendrick and Metschel then introduced an alternative resolution that they drafted before the meeting. It praised the contributions of immigrants and declared intent for the city to follow state law, which already allows police to cooperate with federal immigration authorities for violent criminal undocumented immigrants.

But Councilman Phil Ortiz, whose district is predominantly Latino and Middle Eastern immigrants and whose grandmother came here as a pregnant immigrant, objected. Ortiz stated that “our rules and laws” are what makes America different from other nations. He cited a World Health Organization estimate that there are 2.5 million people worldwide living in poverty, and that we can’t let everyone into the U.S. He praised the presidents of El Salvador and Argentina for reforms that he said reduced crime and poverty.

“I don’t see any issue with our police, if the come across these people, to call ICE,” he said.  While acknowledging immigrants’ contributions to our economy, insisted Ortiz, who coauthored the Mayor’s resolution. “The rule of law has to apply.”

Councilman Steve Goble sought to find a middle ground, asking numerous questions and introducing several alternative proposals that failed to win adequate support for adoption. While he made clear that he wants violent criminals removed, he observed, “The question is how to get them out of our city...who’s going to do it?” He later noted, “We have so much to do with homelessness, we can’t take on immigration...I don’t think we can assist with federal enforcement action,” he added, noting state laws prohibiting most cooperation.  “Let the state and the feds fight it out,” he said of conflicting laws, “and let me concentrate on serve and protect.”

Mayor Bill Wells (photo, right) spoke last, insisting that the resolution isn’t about racism or Nazism. “I think this is about a war that ended on November 5th.  It’s about Trump and non-Trump, progressivism versus conservatism.” He added that 57% of the people in El Cajon voted for Trump “and knew where he stood on immigration.” He reiterated his view that if local police come into contact with an immigrant who is a gang member, for example, if police could cooperate with immigration officers, “We should.”

In the end, the Mayor’s resolution failed on a 3-2 vote with Councilmembers Kendrick, Metschel and Goble opposed, while Mayor Wells and Councilmember Ortiz voted in support.

Read the Mayor’s revised resolution that failed passage on pages 57-59 from City Council agenda attachments.

View ECM’s prior coverage on this resolution:

https://www.eastcountymagazine.org/el-cajon-council-will-vote-today-controversial-immigration-resolution

https://www.eastcountymagazine.org/latino-leaders-give-earful-el-cajon-city-council-over-proposed-immigration-resolution

 

 

Update Feb. 5, 2025:  A man named Ulysses Gomez, the same name as the immigrant arrested by ICE whom Councilwoman Metschel said was separated from his daughter,, did have a prior arrest in 2017 for driving under the influence and was ordered deported during Trump’s first presidency, then was arrested again in 2020 on a domestic violence accusation, according to El Cajon City Manager Graham Mitchell.  Mitchell suggests that ICE may have been following up on the 2017 deportation warrant. 

However, A check of San Diego Superior Court records by ECM found no listing for Ulysses Gomez, indicating that no trial occurred. Mitchell told ECM that it appears " the DA decided not to pursue either of the cases, so he was arrested for, but not charged or convicted.”

The arrest by ICE last week suggests that the Trump administration may be including individuals who were accused but not convicted of crimes, raising the possibility that innocent individuals could wind up deported to their home countries or potentially locked up in Guantanamo, where the Trump administration says it wants to send 30,000 deportees. Metschel has advised ECM that since this article ran, Gomez's daughter has been sent to stay with family members. Gomez was sent to the Otay Mesa detention facility pending deportation.

Correction:  Councilmember Metschel voted no on both the Mayor's resolution and Coucilman Goble's compromise measure. Councilman Ortiz voted in favor.


 

 

LATINO LEADERS GIVE EARFUL TO EL CAJON CITY COUNCIL OVER PROPOSED IMMIGRATION RESOLUTION

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Council asks  staff to revise resolution, which will be on the agenda January 28

By Miriam Raftery

"I see this as disrespectful from you, the Council, the Mayor and the attorneys...This is going to create a lot of distrust in the community.” -- Jose  Cruz, photo, left

"It's about following the law.  California is asking us to ignore federal law."--Mayor Bill Wells, photo, right

January 17, 2025 (El Cajon) – In emotional testimony, leaders of the Latino community and others pleaded with El Cajon City Council members on January 14 to reject a resolution proposed by Mayor Bill Wells aimed at maximizing the city’s cooperation with federal immigration authorities. With President-Elect Donald Trump’s announced mass deportation intent, which Trump has said could include all undocumented immigrants in the U.S., many speakers voiced fears over potential discrimination by police against people of color, as well as fears that even long-term immigrants and children who have committed no crimes could be rounded up for deportation. 

Trump has also said he wants to deport some special protection status immigrants who came here legally, such as Haitians; others with TPS status include Afghans and Iraqis who helped the U.S. military, Ukrainian refugees, and others.

The controversial proposal split the all-Republican Council. After public outcry from speakers unanimously opposed to the resolution, the city council asked staff to make amendments and bring a revised version back for consideration at the January 28 council meeting, with two members voicing strong concerns.

Specifically, El Cajon’s resolution would declare the city’s intent to “assist federal immigration authorities in their enforcement efforts to the maximum legal extent possible under SB 54, the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution, and other applicable laws for the purpose of removing those posing a threat to public safety from our community. SB 54 is a California law that bans police from detaining most immigrations or cooperating with immigration authorities unless the immigrant has been convicted of certain serious felony crimes.

City Manager Graham Mitchell said that conflicting federal, state and county laws “put us in a tight spot,” noting that a letter sent by El Cajon to the state attorney general has thus far not been answered.

El Cajon is alone among local cities seeking to adopt such a resolution. 

ECM asked neighboring La Mesa’s Police Chief Ray Sweeney how his police force is handling the issue. “We’re following state law. Simple--that’s it,” he said.  

San Diego County Sheriff Kelly Martinez similarly has said she will follow state law,  not potentially more stringent federal requests, nor County Supervisors’ more liberal resolution seeking to protect more immigrants than under state law.  The Sheriff’s department provides protection for all other East County communities, including the cities of Santee and Lemon Grove, as well as all unincorporated areas.

Public comments

Some community members spoke during public comments, while others waited until the agendized item.

Some speakers voiced fear, others expressed outrage, and one threatened legal action.

Eva Pacheco  (photo, left) said she has lived in El Cajon for 34 years.  Though the resolution claims its aim is to protect public safety, Pacheco said if police collaborate with immigration officers, “The safety of our community is not in play because they will fear the police...especially at the school I am working with, they will be less likely to seek help or report (crimes) to police officers. We have seen this...before, and with this resolution it will be worse.  I really, really want toknow as a government body that you are here for the entire community....Talk to the families,” she concluded, drawing applause from the audience.

Dr. Sergio Conti (photo, right), who is originally from Argentina, said his family moved to El Cajon last February and is enjoying “this beautiful city,” but is concerned that could change if the resolution passes. “Of the population in El Cajon, 28% speaks Spanish,” he said, noting that mass deportation could eliminate farmworkers and perhaps city workers who are Spanish-speaking. He emphasized that the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.”We came here for one reason: to give a better future to our son,” he said, adding that his son is studying at the University of California, San Diego to be a history professor.  “We work hard every day to make money to pay the rent and feed our families.”  He said he opposes the resolution “because it will destroy the lives of many families who only want to work in peace and give a future to their children.”

Jesus Pacheco (photo, left) from  Latinos en Accion voiced concern that the resolution would damage the relationship between immigrants and police. “You represent all of us. All of us pay taxes, and we try to the best we can,” said Pacheco, who said he’s lived here for 34 years and has long been a volunteer advocate for quality education, recently succeeding in opening a new building for a middle school locally. “Think about us, and make the right decision,” he urged the Council.

Jose Cruz  said he is a U.S. citizen who went to El Cajon High School.  “We got stopped by police.  They sent Border Patrol who kept us there for hours, just harassing us,” he shared. “I don’t want to deal with that. I don’t want my kids to go through that...If your police do that, they should ask for  a passport for every single citizen of El Cajon...I’m very upset with you,” he said, voicing fears that those with brown skin could be subject to stops and detention. “I’m a peaceful person...but I see this as disrespectful from you, the Council, the Mayor and the attorneys...This is going to create a lot of distrust in the community.”  He said victims of crimes such as domestic violence won’t report those crimes if they fear police will call immigration officers.  “I am a U.S. citizen.  They won’t report me...but I don’t want an immigration officer to ask me for papers.”

He told Mayor Wells, “I voted for you, Mr. Mayor, but this just breaks my heart, to be honest with you...I have a 7-year-old boy. I don’t want him to grow up in a place that feels like a police state for brown people. If this thing passes, I might sell my house and move,” he closed, drawing applause.

Mayor Wells interjected, “This is not about taking our police force and turning them into immigration authorities...It’s about following the law.  California is asking us to ignore federal law.”

Cruz fired back,”As a Republican, we talk about local issues. This is a local issue.”

The Mayor insisted, “It’s not for us to decide.”

Cruz responded,  “It is, and deciding to vote you out next time!”  He added that he was talking from personal experience and recalled that as a 14 year old, he was asked for papers. In addition, he said if the resolution passes, besides creating conflicts in the immigrant community, “you’ll be diverting funds from trying to take care of homelessness to rounding up people.”

Violet Lombera  (photo,right) with Latinos en Accion said after moving to El Cajon from Brawley, she was stopped by police in what she views as “racial profiling.  I don’t want that to happen again...Doing this is really going to separate and divide us. It’s going to attack my community,  Mexican Americans...I’ve been attacked. I’ve been segregated. I’ve been racially profiled. You guys need to reconsider this,” she said, voicing fears of people being stopped and asked for proof of citizenship. ”To do this is really going to hurt everybody in our community.”

Pedro Rio (photo, left) is director of the American Friends Service Committee’s border program.  “I’ve been working with community members in El Cajon for two decades or more. Considering passing this resolution is showing your true colors,” he said, then accused the Mayor of “fearmongering” that would make people afraid to walk around or shop in the city.  He criticized the city manager’s statement that state law prohibits cities from using Border Patrol agents to translate,  noting  that such use over the years has been a pretext that led to deportation, family separations and “suffering.” 

He cited Mayor Wells’ past quote claiming nearly 20 million people crossed the U.S. border illegally. “You’re misinformed,” Rio said. “Most are seeking asylum, a legal right.  I implore you to read and understand the laws of this country before engaging in fearmongering and creating so much trauma in the community, for your constituents...We need to wake up and take care of this or we will lose this country completely, and a lot of us are going to lose our lives.”

Salvador Salmiento with the National Day Labor Network said he believes the Council may have good intentions, but added, “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.  Our organization has litigated a bunch of these policies over the years,” adding that he has over the years repeatedly seen ICE (Immigrations and Customs Enforcement) detainers issued without probable cause.

Then he warned that if this happens in El Cajon, ”We will sue, as we have”  when this occurred elsewhere, adding that in such lawsuits, “ICE doesn’t pay. The city pays...This is a public cost.  I know you care about El Cajon. Don’t make this the only thing people hear about El Cajon for the next four years...If this is symbolic, it will still be damaging. If there is actual damage....we will sue...El Cajon, you are all so much better than this.  Say no today.  El Cajon can be a better example than this.”

Adriano Jasso with the American Friends Service Committee supported members in El Cajon and held meetings with the former Chief of Police regarding SB 54 implementation.  “We highlighted the importance to have trust,” Jasso said. “Declaring the intention to assist with federal authorities will set you aside from the rest of the County and potentially bring a spotlight to the community that is anti-immigration, anti-worker, anti-family,” adding that this would “add to the anxiety and uncertainty for people who may be in the country without documentation.  Think about the mixed status families; what message are you sending to school children?” She urged Council to reject the resolution and remember that the represent all the people of El Cajon, including families, children and workers.

Arlette Reyes, a nurse and American citizen who came here as an immigrant, said her parents brought her here because Mexico in those days didn’t have enough opportunities for women. “The 1960s and ‘70s are really not that far away,” she said,  recalling an era when Spanish could not be spoken in schools, segregation of Mexican-Americans occurred, and police engaged in racial profiling. She fears that people with foreign-sounding names and dark skin will “not be looked at like a citizen.”  Reyes 

voiced fear for her daughter, who is African-American and Mexican-American, adding that she wants the city to focus on the homeless. Instead of targeting migrants, noting that most of the homeless are “citizens, born and raised here.”

Brenda Hammond (photo, right) invited everyone to “look up the Lemon Grove incident,” which was a segregation case involving the Lemon Grove School District and Mexican-American children. She said most of her friends are Mexican-Americans who came here as children or young people to escape serious problems. “They are grandparents now.”

Stephanie Harper (photo, left) observed, “The last time I heard anybody talk about `let me see your papers’ was Nazi Germany. That’s really scary. A lot of people here are scared, too...We’re all immigrants, unless you’re Indian.” She quoted former president Ronald Reagan: “You can come to American and become an American. That’s what makes us great.”  She said the resolution will cause “problems we can’t foresee,” then told the Mayor, “I think this is just a step in your political career,  Mr. Wells, to show other people what you’ve done,” adding that this action would not be a good one. The crowd applauded.

Council discussion

Councilwoman Michelle Metschel (photo, right) said she’s talked to residents including in the Hispanic community and believes “they have a real fear that their community is targeted.”  She voiced concern that her daughter, whose father is from El Salvador, could be targeted and noted that one relative “may be illegal.”  She noted that our region has immigrants from around the world and wants to be sure if “bad actors” are the issue that Hispanics are not targeted. 

“I originally signed on to support this,” she said of the resolution, “but as an adult and a representative of my community, I’m entitled to chance my mind as I get more information and as people talk to me,” Metschel added, drawing applause. “These are the heart and soul of what we’re representing,” she said of the speakers present. “I am elected to support them.”

Vice Mayor  Gary Kendrick (photo,left) gave an impassioned speech, noting that Metschel and public speakers raised some “good points.”  Then he revealed, “My mother was living in Czechoslovakia in 1939 when Hitler came in. They said `Jews have to wear yellow stars, but that’s all that we’re doing.’ Then the Gestapo came for her boss, they dragged him out of the office to wash cars, then they dragged him out again and nobody ever saw him again...I’m very concerned about civil rights, because things tend to creep along and get worse...It’s important we work hard to safeguard  everybody’s rights,” he resolved, as the crowd applauded.

Vice Mayor Kendrick continued,  “Immigrants are part of the fabric of our community and I don’t want to tear that apart.” He indicated he was okay with handing over convicted criminals, but added, “I do not want to see children dragged out of church, or out of school.”  He agreed that undocumented people would be frightened to report crimes or serve as witnesses, adding, “Criminals know they can get away with horrible things because everybody is afraid they’ll be deported...That’s bad policy.” He noted that immigrants contribute financially and some even pay into Social Security. With the U.S. birth rate below the replacement rate,we need more people to come in, he said.  “I believe the vast majority of those are honest, hard-working people who make this a better place,” adding that he thrives on the diversity in El Cajon, such as the manyethnic restaurants.

Then for the first time in his 22 years on the City Council, Kendrick quoted a Bible version from Deuteronomy: “You shall also love the strangers, for you are strangers in the land of Egypt.”   Kendrick concluded that he doesn’t want to be on the side of those who rounded up Jews and persecuted others under Hitler, when his mother was young. 

Kendrick suggested the resolution, if adopted at all, should be amended to add a sentence limiting its enforcement to “only those convicted of serious crimes,” as state law already allows.  “I don’t want people living here in fear, because my mom went through that,” he concluded.

Councilman Phil Ortiz (photo, right), who represents a heavily Latino district and is from a second-generation Latino immigrant family, thanked the audience for staying civil.  “I don’t think there is a city in the county more welcoming to immigrants than El Cajon,” he began,  noting that the city translates materials into several languages and offers grants within immigrant communities.  But he said the conflict between state and federal immigration laws need to be worked out.  “We need clarification as a city; are our police officers going to be prosecuted when we talk to Border Patrol agents or ICE about someone defrauding someone or a domestic violence suspect or someone getting ready to commit a crime?”  He said police officers are “just as worried” as immigrants and suggests SB 54 could mean officers being locked up if they cooperate with ICE beyond what the state law allows.

He tried to reassure those present that broad roundups of immigrants wouldn’t happen. “People say we’ll become the Gestapo. We don’t have the budget for that,” he said, but insisted, “It doesn’t do the community any good to shelter criminals who shouldn’t even be here.”

Councilman Steve Goble (photo, left) said he agrees that California and America have thrived because of immigrants, and that trust between immigrants and officials is important. But he insisted that being asked for papers by police won’t happen because it’s prohibited by state law 

“Our interest is protecting you,”  he said. Goble suggested changing the title of the resolution, which currently is “Declaring the city’s intent to assist federal immigration authorities to the maximum legal extent permissible under SB 54 and other applicable laws,” to instead emphasize focus on protecting the community. But he maintained that people such as convicted murderers and rapists need to be removed, and that missing unaccompanied minor immigrants need to be found. “We don’t need to find someone who is a landscape company owner or a housekeeper or an accountant or an engineer.”

Councilman Kendrick, seeing that the majority appeared to favor the resolution, suggested sending it back to staff to clarify that police should cooperate with ICE only for convicted criminals.

Goble disagreed. “We are at a precarious situation right now.  Two government agencies higher than we are taking opposite sides so we are asking for clarification,”he said, though a resolution isn’t required for the city to continue to seek clarification on legalities. “I don’t think we are being racist or provocative. ...I don’t think we need to send this back,” indicating a willingness to vote for the measure. ”No Nazi Germany situation is happening here,” he added, drawing protests from the crowd. “We don’t want to be prosecuted...this came up because our police officers could lose their jobs, lose pensions, or be sued civilly if they follow the law.

Motions and vote

Goble then made a motion to adopt the resolution.

But Metschel asked pointedly,  “Why do we have to make a resolution?”

Mayor Wells conceded, “We don’t have to,” and the audience applauded.

Metschel  noted that the city has already asked for guidance from the state attorney general, who didn’t respond. “We already did that.  We don’t need a resolution to do that. We don’t need a resolution to maintain public trust...and the majority of the public here right now, they are not trusting us...We’ve affirmed commitment to public safety, so why do we need a resolution to reaffirm commitment to safety?”

The Mayor said, “The reason is because the state of California is at odds with the feds,” though no other local city has seen a need to pass a resolution on this issue.

Goble then proposed a substitute motion to send the draft resolution back to staff to “reflect some of the concerns we’ve heard here today, affirming existing community values and emphasizing the purpose of protecting all citizens from those who have committed crimes and who are here illegally.”

The motion to send the resolution back to staff passed 4 to 1, with only Mayor Wells voting in opposition.

The Mayor thanked everyone for “participating in democracy.”

Next hearing

The revised resolution is slated to be on the agenda for the next El Cajon City Council meeting on Tuesday, January 28 at 3 p.m. at El Cajon City Council Chambers,200 Civic Center Way in downtown El Cajon.

View video of full Council meeting on Jan. 14, 2025

Contact information for El Cajon City Councilmembers:

Mayor Bill Wells

(619) 441-1788 / bwells@elcajon.gov

Gary Kendrick, District 1, Mayor Pro Tem

(619) 441-1788 / gkendrick@elcajon.gov

 Michelle Metschel, District 2

(619) 441-1788 / mmetschel@elcajon.gov

Steve Goble,  District 3

 (619) 441-1788 / sgoble@elcajon.gov

Phil Ortiz, District 4

 (619) 441-1788 / portiz@elcajon.gov